Fletcher Clarke, a policy officer at the Attorney-General's Department, shares valuable insights into what it's like to work in this dynamic field. For a deeper dive into Fletcher's journey and additional insights, don't forget to check out this video 👇
Can you tell us a bit about your background and educational journey?
I spent five years studying at the University of Tasmania in Hobart. During that time, I pursued a double degree in economics and law. While my primary focus was on the legal field, economics added a valuable dimension to my education. This academic journey eventually led me to my current role as an Analyst at the Attorney-General's Department in Canberra, where I work within the legal sphere of government operations.
Can you explain what the Attorney-General's Department (AGD) actually does?
Think of AGD as the go-to authority for anything related to the law or justice within the government. They have a broad and diverse portfolio, dealing with matters ranging from family law to criminal law, and even issues related to corruption or fraud. In essence, if it involves the law and the government is involved, you can bet that AGD plays a role in some capacity. They handle everything from monitoring and administering current legislation to spearheading law reforms and representing the government in legal proceedings. AGD essentially serves as the government's in-house legal support, ensuring that all legal aspects of government operations are covered comprehensively.
What is your current position at the Attorney-General’s Department?
I currently hold the position of Policy Officer, although I started as a graduate at the Attorney-General's Department. This role involves a wide range of tasks, including preparing briefs for the Attorney-General and the department's secretary, crafting media releases, reviewing proposed legislative drafts, project and program management, and contributing to the setup of new agencies. It's a diverse and flexible role, particularly in the early stages, where you might also handle public inquiries. As a graduate, you have the opportunity to explore various areas within the department's five groups, and while you may eventually settle in one, you begin with complete flexibility. Those five groups are including the Australian Government Solicitor, Integrity and International Group, National Security and Criminal Justice Group, First Nations and Communities Group, and Enabling Services (which includes HR and Finance). The legal work primarily happens within the Australian Government Solicitor group.
What's the coolest project or thing you've worked on so far at the AGD?
My current rotation involves working in the National Anti-Corruption Commission Implementation team, which is setting up the federal government's equivalent to the New South Wales ICAC. This project is highly exciting because it's the government's top priority, and every state and territory in the country already has a corruption or integrity commission. I've had the opportunity to participate in meetings and provide secretariat support to top leadership, gain exposure to management and experts in the field, and witness the implementation process firsthand. Being part of such a crucial government project is truly thrilling, especially considering it's only my first rotation.
You seem to have a significant level of responsibility early in your career. Is this common in government roles?
In government, many things are happening simultaneously, and it's essential to be proactive and ready to take on responsibility. Some graduates might find that responsibilities are slow to be handed out, but I believe that if you want more opportunities and responsibilities, you should be willing to step up and occasionally tackle challenging tasks. While it might involve a learning curve and feedback, it's a valuable learning experience and helps you grow in your role.
How did you first hear about this role and how did you find out about Attorney-General's Department?
Initially, I was drawn to private legal practice and had some clerkship experiences in Tasmania and Melbourne. While those experiences were valuable, I started seeking a role with a more significant impact, both at a macro and micro level. My involvement in student leadership, advocacy, and volunteering during university influenced my desire to make a difference. Initially, government work didn't appeal to me, but as I explored it further and saw the impact it could have, particularly through conversations with recent graduates and the application process, I realized it was where I wanted to be. It's all about making an impact and seeing a future where I can do that.
I discovered the Attorney-General's Department while exploring various graduate programs. What particularly appealed to me about AGD was its role at the forefront of legal reform and policy in the country. I wanted to be involved in a broader range of work beyond just legal practice, including legal policy and law reform. AGD offered a more diverse and impactful experience, which is why I chose it.
Can you walk us through the graduate application process at the Attorney-General's Department?
The application process typically begins when the job listing goes live on websites. You submit standard information and answer questions. There might be additional testing, including a chat-based interview. Following this, you progress to an assessment center, which is a crucial part of the process. It involves individual tasks such as presentations or problem-solving exercises. Candidates receive a scenario or question and must solve it on the spot in front of assessors. It assesses communication, analytical skills, critical thinking, creativity, and adaptability. The presentation should be specific and targeted.
There's also a standard interview, often with STAR questions. Afterwards, candidates enter a merit pool and provide preferences for government departments. Recently, there has been a shift to a whole-of-government legal stream intake for legal graduates.
Is there any advice that you'd recommend preparing for students who want to apply at the AGD?
When preparing for the assessment center task, it's essential to focus on both your presentation and your approach to questions. While the specific problem might be unrelated to your field of study, you can still prepare effectively.
What was the most difficult interview question you encountered, and how did you answer it?
One challenging question was about justifying the angle taken in a presentation. The answer should be structured, even if you're unsure, and demonstrate why you chose that approach.
For example “Why do you think this angle is particularly appropriate? Why have you taken this particular focus?”. For me, I think that's a tough one because you spend so much time getting stuck in the weeds a little bit.
Can you describe what was the onboarding process for graduates at the AGD?
The initial weeks focus on getting to know the department, colleagues, and the graduate cohort. There's training, social events, and opportunities to understand government systems and processes. For those pursuing the Graduate Diploma of Legal Practice (GDLP), there are two weeks of training, while others have one week. Beyond that, there are plenty of opportunities to really develop those relationships with 30 or 40 other grads that you'll be with for the next 12 months.
Is there any training or learning opportunities provided by the AGD that are beyond just learning on the job?
Yes, during the first week of the graduate program, there is an intro to how government work operates, covering a wide range of topics. Throughout the entire graduate development program, there are ongoing training sessions that focus on various aspects of our roles, including writing ministerial briefs and submissions, influencing stakeholders, analyzing policy impact, and understanding the policy development cycle.
Furthermore, there are opportunities for training and networking with other government department graduates through the Australian Public Service Commission (APSC). While there may not be a high volume of external training, the in-house training is comprehensive and tailored to ensure that graduates are well-prepared for their roles.
Also, we will be assigned a couple of buddies who are former grads, and we will have a supervisor as well. So you've got a few different layers there who can help you to ensure your development.
What does work-life balance look like now that you're in the role?
Work-life balance in my current role is quite manageable and a noticeable contrast from the demands of private legal practice. I typically arrive at the office around 8:30 AM and leave sometimes quarter past or half past five in the evening, it depends on the work. There's a real emphasis on ensuring that graduate employees aren't stretched too thin, and the organization prioritizes the well-being of its employees.
We have access to benefits like flex leave, where any time worked beyond seven and a half hours in a day accumulates and can be taken as time off.
Are there any other perks from the AGD that stand out for you as a graduate?
One significant perk is the exposure to a diverse range of work that graduates get to experience. This includes tasks ranging from low-level details to more abstract assignments, providing a well-rounded learning experience. Additionally, there are various perks such as health and well-being reimbursements of up to $300, which can be used for purchasing items like sports equipment, winter clothing, or other health-related items. The department also offers a wide range of social activities and opportunities to get involved in diversity networks, volunteering, fundraising and organizing events.
Is there anything you'd change or that you feel isn't so great that grads or students should be aware of before the jump?
It's important to have realistic expectations when considering a government role. Government work can often be slower due to clearance processes and decision-making systems in place. While these processes exist to protect individuals and ensure proper decision-making, they may not always yield the quickest results. So, it's crucial to be prepared for a more methodical pace compared to the private sector. If you're someone who thrives in a fast-paced, agile environment, government roles may not align with those expectations.
However, there's a positive side to this as well. In government, you have the opportunity to contribute to good public administration. You're encouraged to express your opinions and provide frank advice, even if it might not always lead to immediate action. It's about finding a balance between advocating for change and recognizing the value of thorough decision-making. If you're seeking a dynamic, fast-paced environment, the private sector might be a better fit.
Is there a typical career progression pathway that the AGD offers to the graduate?
Staying within the Attorney-General's department can lead to a typical public service career path. After starting as an APS level three equivalent, many graduates progress to higher APS levels, such as four or five, by the end of the grad program. From there, it's possible to continue climbing the ranks over time. However, the process is gradual. Some grads opt to explore other government portfolio agencies, gaining varied experiences, while others may delve into private legal practice. There are multiple career directions available, from a typical public service path to solely practicing law within government or transitioning toward private sector practice with a government background.
Any final advice for students aspiring to follow a similar career path in law?
My advice to students aiming for a similar career is to adopt an exploratory mindset. Don't limit yourself based on assumptions; gain hands-on exposure to truly understand your preferences. Be proactive—network, reach out to professionals, and seek shadowing opportunities, even if you're a first-year student. Expect rejection but don't let it deter you.
Stay authentic; don't try to be someone you're not. Engage actively, show genuine interest, and be patient with those offering opportunities.